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petrel
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Interesting comments:
It was no surprise to Shock fans that some of the players didn't want to go to Tulsa, especially those who attended the event Plenette put together after the team was moved. The mother of one of the players involved in this mess(who was already overseas) said then that her daughter wouldn't play in the WNBA next summer. What shocked me is how surprised by and unprepared to deal with it the league seemed to be. - CG12
CG12: A few reporters have calls into WNBA for an answer about the dual cored players, but aren't getting a response. Tulsa has problems anyway because former Shock players don't want to play there and are rumored not to play in the WNBA this summer. The WNBA may have flexed its rules because it needs big names to draw ticket sales and make games interesting. The Paris twins aren't going to do that on their own. Still doesn’t make it right. Stay tuned…- Jayda Evans
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FS02
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| Posted: 01/15/10 10:46 pm ::: |
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| This reminds me of the end of a Scooby-Doo episode--Darn meddling kids!
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 01/15/10 11:18 pm ::: |
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Please. How in the hell does fan or media 'meddling' lead to a WNBA trade? There's about five journalists covering the league in the entire United States and a tiny little fanbase. If fans or journos had any impact on proceedings then it's the fault of the GMs and coaches for paying even the tiniest bit of attention.
Fan and/or media interest maybe, i.e. an attempt on both sides to generate some (along with the playing personnel considerations). But meddling just sounds ridiculous.
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:16 am ::: |
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| A source told me Whalen did most of the meddling.
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PeachBasket
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:28 am ::: |
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"Fan and media meddling led to Whalen trade."
Apparently it's all the fault of posters on Rebkell?
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Orender added, "The threads there simply got too long, and no one could resist the pressure to put the deal though any longer. |
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pilight
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:28 am ::: |
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| petrel wrote: |
| Tulsa has problems anyway because former Shock players don't want to play there and are rumored not to play in the WNBA this summer. |
If the W fails, it will be crap like this that causes it. If the top players don't give a shit about the league, fans certainly aren't going to.
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:31 am ::: |
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| Nolan wouldn't have been permitted to play this summer even if the franchise stayed in Auburn Hills...
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DTP
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:32 am ::: |
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| Honestly with all the stuff that has been going on of late this league is really just becoming a joke to me....
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DTP
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:34 am ::: |
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| p_d_swanson wrote: |
| Nolan wouldn't have been permitted to play this summer even if the franchise stayed in Auburn Hills... |
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| Posted: 01/16/10 1:46 am ::: |
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| PeachBasket wrote: |
"Fan and media meddling led to Whalen trade."
Apparently it's all the fault of posters on Rebkell?
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Orender added, "The threads there simply got too long, and no one could resist the pressure to put the deal though any longer. |
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ddubdawg
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| Posted: 01/16/10 2:37 am ::: |
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| p_d_swanson, what gives? Why would you say that about Tweetie?
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ddubdawg
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| Posted: 01/16/10 2:55 am ::: |
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| Lots of links on your liink but I do not see anything that has a Deanna...Nolan...or Tweetie mentioned. Am I missing something?
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JohnyK
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| Posted: 01/16/10 5:47 am ::: |
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| The big teams in Europe don't like when their top earners go and play in the States during the summer. So they might put a condition in contracts that forbid players from going or they might pay them some bonuses for not doing anything during the summer. At the moment Nolan is their most valuable player because of her Russian passport so they could do anything to have her as healthy as possible.
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abontorab9
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| Posted: 01/16/10 10:16 am ::: |
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Just so we can clear this up for everybody's future reference.
Whalen did not explicitly request to be traded home. She didn't call up Thibault and say "look, I'd like to go back to Minnesota, please make that happen." She did, however, tell him that if he ever had to trade her, she'd prefer for it to be only to Minnesota and that she would understand completely that it was only a business decision.
So the opportunity came along and she was traded. Thibault didn't want to do it because like he has said numerous times, Whalen is like a daughter to him. But unfortunately, that has to be set aside when you are in charge of a business. Thibault had to make the best moves to make his business better.
You may think that Thibault is simply lying in interviews and Whalen DID want to go home. I doubt that is the case; there is no reason to intentionally lie for her. When Douglas requested a trade to Indiana, Thibault was very explicit in letting the media know it was her who wanted to leave.
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| Posted: 01/16/10 10:19 am ::: |
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If "fan and media meddling" led to this mess, then I'm honestly not sure which end of this league is less professional: 'fans' who can't embrace players from outside the immediate area, players who will spend half a year on the other side of the world but can't cope with a less-than-desirable city for three months, or front offices on both the team and league level that appear to be run by exceptionally brain-damaged Keystone Kops.
I love this game... but not the gamesmanship behind the scenes. I love my team... but not the franchise. I love the WNBA... but not the league's offices.
Despite what would appear to be concentrated, coordinated efforts to make devoted fans throw up their hands and go "WTF is this shit, that's it, I'm out of here, that money could be better spent!"... well, I know I'm still here.
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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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| Posted: 01/16/10 10:29 am ::: |
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I think it's obvious this trade was done with an emphasis on hometown flavor...for Connecticut as well as Minnesota. Fan and media meddling? BS. Both teams see it as a way to get hometown players while also theoretically gaining in terms of team need. These teams want to draw. But fan "meddling"? Come on. The organizations know that there are fans out there who want to see hometown players. They don't need fans or media letting them know. I mean, did Coach T wait until the 1000th UConn fan called the Sun offices before he wanted to make the deal?
For Minnesota, the filling of an immediate need is obvious. They get an experienced standout player at a position of need. For Connecticut, they get two young players with potential, including a player that Coach T views as an impact player in Charles.
I don't see how Connecticut can say they have improved in the short term, though it's quite possible Thibault can get something out of Monty that Minnesota couldn't. But Thibault likes the uptempo game, and I think Monty is going to need some time to succeed at that on the pro level. And if you look at the 2 and 3 positions, Connecticut has some questions in terms of producing offense from within that style of play. Last year, Whalen was on her own way too often in terms of perimeter contribution. I love AJZ, but now she will have to get used to a new point guard, and one in Monty who has the ball in her hands a lot. I don't think it will be an overnight process.
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p_d_swanson
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| Posted: 01/16/10 10:36 am ::: |
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| nickv1025 wrote: |
| You may think that Thibault is simply lying in interviews and Whalen DID want to go home. |
Okay...
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palinluver
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| Posted: 01/16/10 10:48 am ::: |
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| Why am I not surprised by the source? She loves throwing unsupported, controversial crap out there without any references or reasons why she came to such a conclusion.
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TwinCitiesDave
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| Posted: 01/16/10 2:11 pm ::: |
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| If the W fails, it will be crap like this that causes it. If the top players don't give a shit about the league, fans certainly aren't going to. |
Not the fault of the players. They aren't the ones who publicly lied about having signed contract extensions last year.
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