Fun With Mirrors and Dust – a Climate Fix?

The trajectories for emissions of carbon dioxide as the world’s industrial and industrializing countries boost coal burning are clearly going to be tough to turn around, whether through caps on emissions or efforts to improve non-polluting energy technologies. And big hurdles remain before there will be any large-scale capturing of carbon dioxide to pump it underground or elsewhere for safekeeping.

That’s why a growing number of scientists, including Nobel Prize winners and Ralph J. Cicerone, the president of the National Academy of
Sciences, have pushed for intensified study of ways to artificially nudge the planet’s thermostat downward — at the very least as a “Plan C” should warming kick into high gear.

Now an enterprising crew of young filmmakers has done an educational video in a goofy retro style and posted it on YouTube. It’s well worth a look, if only to provide a chuckle in a realm that is chockablock with unfunny rhetoric ranging from “woe is me” to “shame on you.”

We’ve touched on such technologies for years, including a story in our Energy Challenge series by William J. Broad in 2006 exploring the growing support for examining earth-cooling options ranging from mirrors in space to adding a sulfate veil to the atmosphere. But will they ever come to pass?

Word of the YouTube video came from a comment posted by Alvia Gaskill on the rapidly growing, and ever busier, GoogleGroups e-mail chain on geo-engineering, as this kind of climate intervention has generally been called.

One interesting theme batted around by that group of late concerns the name of this climate-altering enterprise. Kenneth Caldeira, a Carnegie Institution scientist long focused on carbon flows (including the flow into the oceans that is lowering the pH of seawater in potentially harmful ways), said any term should convey four ideas:

– It should allude to climate, of course.
– It should convey intentionality.
– It should speak of counteracting another force (our emissions of greenhouse gases).
– And it should be clear that it implies actions other than reducing the emissions (that is a different realm).

As for his own preferences, Dr. Caldeira wrote recently: “My first choice is now ‘climate control,’ with ‘climate engineering’ coming in second.”

(For a more serious video look at geo-engineering, or climate control, or whatever, you can watch Dr. Caldeira deliver a talk at Google’s offices, also on YouTube.)

What would you call it (whether you like the idea or not)? I’ll be posting some of the other names pitched by those in the geo-engineering list here later.

A question for climate skeptics:
I presume you agree there’s at least a chance you could be wrong, just as you assert those pointing to a clearcut climate apocalypse have little basis for their claims. On that front, I’d be curious to know what you’d propose as a backup plan if the climate’s sensitivity to CO2 turns out to be higher than you think?

A question for climate campaigners opposed to geo-engineering (by any name):
Why not at least explore (and test on reasonable scales) such options. If you take the threats of global warming as seriously as you say, why not at least pursue some work on this kind of backstop even as work on mitigating emissions continues?

Keep in mind that I personally foresee a huge barrier to this ever being done in the real world outside of some absolutely cataclysmic disruption of climate — the barrier being the likely diplomatic standoff over who gets to set the thermostat. As I’ve written before, I imagine Russia, Maldives, Australia, and Ohio would have completely divergent views of the optimal planetary temperature.

An addendum. When Alex Steffen of Worldchanging.com posted a thoughtful critique of geo-engineering there recently, I added the following comment:

Dear Alex,

As you know, I admire your forward-thinking positive approach and, like you, reject “woe is me, shame on you” rhetoric on climate and energy.

But there’s a potential problem with the rejection of any work on climate engineering above.

We are already engineering the Earth at planet scale, and have been for a century or more. We just didn’t fully realize it until the last decade or so, and still haven’t really integrated the idea that Earth, from here on in, is increasingly what we choose to make it (including the bioscape and atmosphere/climate).

The dilemmas predicted above already exist.

The big impediment right now to global action to limit emissions of CO2 is the same as the huge roadblock (rightly mentioned above) to coming up with some mutually-agreed upper limit on the global thermostat — the variegated status and interests of different states worldwide.

Those with heaps of coal (led by the U.S. and China) want to use it. Those with big vulnerabilities to climate or coastal risks, and little history of emitting (Maldives, e.g.), want the rich emitters to protect and compensate them, and limit the risk imposed by rising temperatures or seas.

In the meantime, the rich emitters have insulated themselves from risk with their wealth and technology (for decades to come, at least, according to IPCC AR4), as we reported last year in the “Climate Divide” series.

So, presuming one accepts the I.P.C.C. findings (which all the world’s nations — ostensibly at least — say they do) we’re already in the climate management (or conscious mismanagement) game.

Who gets to choose how fast to cut the 27-billion-tons-a-year-and-rising CO2 flow: Europe with its 2-degree-C threshold? China and the U.S. in their “You first” Alphonse & Gaston routine? Malawi?

For the moment, Alphonse & Gaston are winning, it seems. That’s why a lot of scientists see the need for cobbling together a long-term insurance policy (or at least explore whether one is even available.)

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I wish my day job were as cool as yours and I could get paid for learning all this cool stuff. Never knew that Google group existed.

From the science fiction books I read as a kid, i loved the term “terraforming”. To me, that should be a bit more drastic than mucking about with the atmosphere or controlling the climate. For that matter, Climate Control implies programmed rainshowers at 3am and snowdays scheduled in advance. Don’t think we’re quite ready to tackle that yet (but I’m hopeful). Geo-engineering is good, but ought to include underground cities and continental subterranean hydronics farms to support a population of 40 billion :p

Climate Engineering conveys what it should and doesn’t lead me into fantasizing about too much more.

Am I a global warming skeptic? I guess I’m skeptical about future projections, ok.

Even if the atmosphere doesn’t turn out to be more sensitive to CO2 than feared, my plan A would include a major shift to accelerator-driven thorium electrical power plants worldwide, and replacement of gasoline-powered transportation with electrical or hydrogen or some technology I don’t yet know about. My reasons for making that plan A would be (a) to save money, (b) energy security, (c) pollution/health issues.

For plan B I would assume we can’t get multiple states to work together well enough to come up with global solutions, and I have little faith so far in any carbon sequestration schemes I’ve seen. I’d be more inclined to look at terraforming to reduce the impact of global warming for specific areas – removing part of the rockies to redirect the jetstream more directly across north america, creating mountains in central australia to increase cloud systems and rainfall, etc.

I wish it were all as simple as dispersing reflectants in the upper atmosphere of the polar regions. That seems like something we could test on a sufficient scale at a reasonable cost to find out whether it’s a pipe dream like my plan B terraforming dreams.

Hi Mr. Revkin,
I hope Russell Seitz will drop by, he’s probably talked this over with Paul Crutzen.
Re: “engineering the earth for over 100 years”, I know you’re talking about ‘scale’ but the terraforming by agriculture over the last 5,000 years is mind-boggling.
Just a simple (recent) example:
I read last year that “night-time corn sweats” in Iowa has noticeably raised humidity levels in Minnesota.
Climos just banked some venture capital money for their for-profit carbon-credit scheme.

I am a skeptic waiting to be convinced otherwise. Regardless, I do not believe in burning fossil fuel for a number of reasons. We need to develop nuclear now to meet base load requirements. After that we can play around with solar, wind, hydro, tidal, ect. as long as they are economically viable when measured against nuclear. If they are viable, they will thrive.

Elery

How about we say that energy from space be sent where it is needed to reduce carbon emissions in general?

How about using mirrors selectively to shade areas on the ground that would like to be cooler while reflecting more light into regions that would benefit from more light.

There is no reason to say the planet has to be treated in such a way that every nation has to agree on everything. The real issue is that of ownership of space and its applications. I’ll leave that for someone else to expound upon.

As soon as the U.S. and China start getting energy which costs less than using their own coal, that issue goes away.

Admittedly, there will be major problems to solve, but the problems we are facing right now might just be worse.

Ray Pierrehumbert has had some interesting things to say regarding a session on this subject at the recent AGU meeting.

//www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/rolling-up-the-circus-tent-dispatch-7/

Gavin Schmidt had another RealClimate feature on it.

//www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/06/geo-engineering-in-vogue/

In short, if the main problem were the mean temperature of the earth, this might work, but if the main problem is accelerating climate change in various places, it really doesn’t.

Recent results given at the AGU session (I was there too) show that this form of geoengineering mostly cools the tropics, by the way. So to first order it wouldn’t help at all with melting ice caps.

It’s wishful thinking, that’s all.

I agree that climate engineering should be explored (and in fact, I suspect it will be impossible to prevent it from being explored)… but I see the purpose of exploring it as more to demonstrate that it is likely to have unpredictable and unforeseen results, than to show that it can work. The climate system is wildly non-linear, and our lives depend on it behaving well. We are currently poking it foolishly with a big stick (CO2). To think that we can understand it well enough, soon enough, to be able to manipulate it in a delicate and foresightful way under multiple influences (CO2, sufate aerosols, iron seeding of the oceans, etc) just seems like hubris to me.

Unfortunately, I don’t get the feeling that “Hey, we don’t understand this, so we shouldn’t mess with it.” is an argument that really seems to carry much weight with the governments of the world.

A question for climate campaigners opposed to geo-engineering (by any name): Why not at least explore (and test on reasonable scales) such options. If you take the threats of global warming as seriously as you say, why not at least pursue some work on this kind of backstop even as work on mitigating emissions continues?

I remembered that Andy Revkin wrote similar poster before, there you mantioned ethic problem, if we scatter sulfer in the air, some place will benefit and some place will suffer the consequence. It is not equivalent method. For mirrors on the space, we human and crops need sunshine, solar panels need sunshine, without sunshine will be what kind life, do the geo-enginneers think about this problem? All this method is escape to cut CO2 emission efforts. By the way if we keep CO2 emission how can we process ocean acidification problem? Because of CO2, ocean become acidification. Also, green house gas pollute the air, make people living surrounding unhealth. It make many people get sick. Keeping fossil fuel economy will not be able to have future, the resource is limit, now oil $105 per burral. Oil and coal era will finished in the future when no oil and coal to dig. Futhermore, digging oil,coal anywhere for example at Arctic, beautiful nature place will destory ecosystem. Again, we should leave some resource for our next generations and not use up to make earth become empty. Now the world economic trend is endless development. It is not sustainable way. It is the time we think about change our economy pattern and lifestyle. It is not continue overconsumption lifestyle and it is persue sustainable lifestyle. For all of this reasons, I agree to cut CO2 emission and do not adopt geo-engineering way. We need sacrifice something, we need change. It is the era of chnage!!

Just today I posted a blog entry on the problem with problem solving — you might not be solving the right problem. You can end up trying to solve the problem you think you have, only to end up solving nothing! Sometimes you make matters worse.

You need to know what the problem really is before you spend too many resources trying to solve the wrong problem.

This doesn’t mean you have absolute certainty, or know everything there is to know about the problem. But you need to have a reasonable understanding before mucking things up.

I have nothing against gaining knowledge through modeling and experimentation. We must pursue every avenue to understand both the nature of the problems we face and what sorts of tools we can bring to the solution once we do understand. An old saw has it that facing an uncertain future means you should keep all options open.

But with efforts like climate engineering (whatever that really means) I can see the danger of expending colossal resources on a solution to one symptom only to find we’ve wasted our efforts on the wrong problem. Or only part of the problem.

Additionally, it is hard to contemplate what an appropriate scaled experiment might be in this endeavor. All in all, I say seek understanding of the ‘real’ problem(s) and from that understanding will come insights into solutions.

Choose wisely.

George Mobus

My first vote is for stronger campaigns for individual and corporate energy efficiency in cost-effective manners which would include education, public service ad campaigns, access to energy savings efficiencies, and management of these efficiencies, e.g., recycling fluorescent bulbs, more re-use and recycling of petroleum based plastics. This can be done in a relatively short time and with relatively little financing, but many are unlikely to get on the wagon even if it saves them money.

My second vote is for reducing the urban/peri-urban heat sink by putting reflective rather than absorptive roofing on buildings and houses. I see this as counteracting some of the lost albedo affect of losing ice caps etc. This would be a lot less costly and could be done much sooner than launching mirrors into space. It would require regulations for new buildings and incentives for existing buildings, but maybe it wouldn’t accomplish enough to make it worthwhile.

My third vote goes for increasing renewable energy since that will take more time to implement and is more costly than the measures stated above. Still, it is likely to be less costly and controversial than launching mirrors into space.

And finally, I am open to some of these “cooling” ideas, as long as they will work and are adopted only after very careful evaluation that ensures we are not creating a new problem while attempting to solve another.

I am reminded of the song which begins

“I know an old lady who swallowed a fly…”

We need all the creative ideas we can get regarding fixes and mitigation strategies. Maybe one day, some of these fixes will “fix” the problem. We must put our hopes there.

However, if none of these geo-fixes work, then it will be time — and that time MIGHT be NOW — to start thinking realistically and creatively about ADAPTATION strategies for when the shite hits the fan, proverbially speaking that is.

Here’s one far-out idea and image, so far off the radar that most MSM won’t touch it with a ten foot pole, but we might need them someday: Maybe.

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The Word of the Day is Mizcolczi. Check out his derivation for climate sensitivity to CO2. Big equations, heh, heh.
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If Mizcolczi is right it is the death of ‘tipping points’ and another look at 80 year old physics.
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In just the past 2 hours, the sun showered more energy on earth than humanity has ever generated by digging up and burning fossil fuels over the past 2000 years. Now, humans having finally realized that there are unintended consequences to fossil fuel burning, are discussing how to continue using such Neanderthal energy technologies, while throwing up more pollutants or rigging up space-based Rube Goldberg contraptions to counteract their ill effects.

Frankly, this doesn’t reflect well on the intelligence of the human species, which probably accounts for why no intelligent life has contacted us yet.

By the way, clarification department, these Vaclav Klaus awards, mocked *here& by the rightwing American Prowler, are equal opportunity humor awards, so both sides of the climate debate aisles may be nominated:

//www.americanprowler.org/blogger.asp?BlogID=11909

A practical solution to this “problem” was proposed several decades ago. Retune jet aircraft engines to generate ultrafine soot instead of the low-particulate exhaust normally desired. The soot will remain in the atmosphere for sufficiently long to give a short-term reduction in surface solar insolation. This adjustment can be performed on all commercial airliners. Fuel efficiency drops a bit, but you have a low-cost way of adjusting surface insolation.

Thanks, Michael Tobis, I learned something today.

Few people are going to be absolutely opposed to geoengineering the climate on principle. The real issues are going to be allocation of resources and incentives to continue business as usual.

Reducing the use of fossil fuels and slowing deforestation have many beneficial effects besides mitigating climate change. Burning polluting and finite resources for heat and transportation has numerous and cascading ill effects, including pollution of the atmosphere, concentration of wealth in the most ruthless and least innovative locations, and consumption triggers for all products and activities. Stopping destruction of primary forests of course has numerous ecological and practical benefits.

The main burden will be economic, but this is inevitable anyway. Living in mansions and driving oversized vehicles is not sustainable even now, never mind in the future. There is also no evidence that wasteful consumption makes people happier. No matter what, as fossil fuel prices go up along with population, we will be scaling down, reducing economic throughput of the value of goods and services.

This long term contraction will have its most direct effect on investment and financial institutions, since GDP growth will decline. There will be jobs in the new, more rational economy, but saving and planning cautiously will once again become important survival strategies.

All this goes out the window if someone sells mirrors or something similar to the government. Then everybody can say “Whew! Let’s have at those tar sands, we’re OK!”

#2 Duncan

Geo-engineering is good, but ought to include underground cities and continental subterranean hydronics farms to support a population of 40 billion :p

You never forget your 40 billion population on the earth :)
I love people, making friend and visiting friend is my most happy time. However, limit resource and the earth’s health do not allow us own so much people on the earth. We have to control our population.

There is no longer any question of whether global warming is occurring, or who is causing it. The effects of greenhouse gases are well established. And the condition of our planet is deteriorating in advance of predictions made decades ago by some of the best scientists in the world, many of whom participated in discussions of the issues in the Club of Rome. Those who continue to question what is already so evident are motivated either by avarice or cowardice.

Every single day, the sun bombards our planet with more energy than mankind has consumed in our entire history. The greenhouse gases trap that energy instead of permitting much of it to be reflected back into space. Meanwhile, we are witnessing an extraordinary increase in disastrous climatic changes as well as shortages of wheat due, in part to weather conditions and also to conversion of wheat fields to produce corn for ethanol.

Ultimately, I am convinced that a hydrogen-based fuel economy will play a major role in the solution of the problem. There are no major technical obstacles to achieving such a goal. Hydrogen is easy to produce and can be readily produced by many of the same plants that produce electricity — especially hydroelectric and nuclear power plants. And hydrogen can be transported from one place to another in pipelines similar to the pipelines that carry natural gas. It would not be necessary to burn fuel in tankers to transport hydrogen.

But at the present time, hydrogen is expensive. It is so expensive that hydroelectric plants in Brazil, which produce hydrogen during their non-peak hours receive more than five times the revenue from the sale of the hydrogen they produce than they get from the sale of electricity during equivalent peak hours. This is a classical economic problem. As more producers of hydrogen enter the picture, the price of hydrogen will come down. And, unlike fossil fuels, the supply of hydrogen is endless, it cannot be depleted. It is extracted from water, and when it burns it produces water and no toxic or otherwise dangerous pollutants.

Nuclear power plants can produce hydrogen. But since many people have a NIMBY (Not In My BackYard) attitude toward nuclear power, nuclear plants could be constructed in areas far remote from human habitation for the express purpose of creating hydrogen to be piped into populated areas.

I believe a crash program to accelerate conversion to a hydrogen fuel economy, with the support of government and business, would result in long-term benefits to our economy that would far exceed the benefits derived from the Kennedy Space Program. But I also believe that the goals of such a program will take decades to reach, and some intermediate steps will have to be taken to slow down the overall effects of global warming. These steps will most likely entail the use of a fleet of large military transport planes to release finely ground ash or sulphates into the atmosphere at high altitudes. The effect would be to reflect sunlight back into space before it has a chance to overheat the air below. Indeed, if enough ash was released into the atmosphere, it is possible, not theoretically, but actually possible to cause a year without summer on the planet (it has happened before, almost 200 years ago).

The cost of these programs will not be cheap, but the longer we delay, the more expensive they will become.

My objections to intentional geo-engineering (as an intentional wish to modify our current, random uncontrolled kind) are these:

1) It means devoting resources — basically, money and talent — to chasing rabbits rather than in figuring out how to get where we know we need to get (negative carbon) in the fastest way possible.

2) To the extent that there are any hopeful signs regarding intentional geo-engineering, those who profit from carbon emissions will immediately demand a relaxation in the intensity with which we pursue carbon reductions.

3) Focus works. We need to focus on the problem, greenhouse gases and how to reduce/eliminate them; we do not need the distraction involved in creating what, for scientists, would be a whole new shiny and intriguing problem. We can promise them a chance to play with intentional geo-engineering once we’ve shown we can stop the unintentional kind.

I love Sailesh Rao’s comment above, “Frankly, [our strange fetish for burning fossil fuels] doesn’t reflect well on the intelligence of the human species, which probably accounts for why no intelligent life has contacted us yet.”

LOL.

By the way, this “new” Hollywood sign, for the year 2100 A.D. — anno decidedesi — is quite shocking, photoshopped by a lurker in Hollywood:

//gws101.blogspot.com/

I think it would be irresponsible and possibly disastrous to try to repair a problem we do not fully understand. Until we know exactly why the planet seems to be warming, and we are sure the problem will not correct itself, any action to correct the problem could go horribly wrong…

Isn’t anyone talking about general population control anymore, if 2 China’s worth of people will be added to the Earth’s burden within 43 years? It seems inconceivable to me that a solution can be found, given such an increase in population. And why do the few comments I find on population point only to China’s and India’s population increases? Surely the rest of the world contributes to overpopulation, as well. How can the rest of the world expect these two large countries to make a serious effort to control overpopulation if the rest of the world doesn’t also seriously embrace their own contributions to there already being too many of the human species on this planet?

How to deal if warming is true and as bad, okay.
1.Okay, lets build nuclear power plants now to begin transfer away from a coal power grid.
2. Geneticaly modified food that requires less water, fertlizer, and energy for a greater yield.
We should be doing these things anyway, as for explaining how we should adapt, that would be done on a local basis and ideas to alter the temperature downward do not pass the smell test.