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In your face, Barry!

Judge blocks Gulf offshore drilling moratorium

NEW ORLEANS (AP) – A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.

Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore drilling rigs had asked U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans to overturn the moratorium.

President Barack Obama’s administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.

Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.

Failed to provide adequate reasoning indeed.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar claimed that a special panel of experts “peer-reviewed” his recommendation and made it seem they agreed with Salazar.

The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium — something they actually oppose.

Salazar took their report and changed it. He flat out lied about what they said.

The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits.

The moratorium was widely expected to bring harm to the Gulf economy. Some think that Obama doesn’t really care about inflicting harm as long as it does not affect his agenda.

I am surprised that the judge actually took this step. It was, as they say in Obamaland, unexpected.

Good for Judge Feldman.

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My prediction: Obama will order Rahm Emmanuel to accost Judge Feldman naked in the courthouse shower and threaten him and his family.

So the US Government’s filing contained the lies about the experts … Looks like the Judge didn’t appreciate the lies.

All incompetent Obama does is lie.

“President Barack Obama’s administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.”

Perhaps they thought it might be a good idea to determine what caused the worst environmental catastrophe in the nation’s history before proceeding with 33 similar projects.

What the heck. Just because the engine of one new passenger jet blows a wing off in flight is no reason to ground 33 others until you find out why it happened.

Greg writes: “Perhaps they thought it might be a good idea to determine what caused the worst environmental catastrophe in the nation’s history…”

One: This is in no way the “worst environmental disaster in the nation’s history”. That honor would go to twenty years of Democratic “governance” in Detroit.

Two: To which “they” are you referring? Would that be the same people who approved BP’s drilling permit and gave them an award for safety?

This is in no way the “worst environmental disaster in the nation’s history”.

Maybe BP could dump another $50 million on television spots to make certain everyone is fully aware of that. They’d need a really good tagline. Maybe something like “The Gulf Oil Spill…It’s WAY better than Chernobyl!”

With this upper right cut from a federal judge in New Orleans, on top of a serious whack to the nose from McChrystal and his boys, Tuesday, June 22 is turning into a dark day for the incapable Administration.

. . . And the evidence just keeps piling on. Is that a smile on Jimmy Carter’s face?

Oh, come on now, James Raider. You don’t think a little set back like a judicial ruling is going to stop this admin, do ya? You know this WH temporary occupant… he doesn’t like the bankruptcy rules, so he decides how GM assets are to be divvied up himself.

Salazar’s already busy preparing a new moratorium to file which, supposedly, answers all the court’s objections. Guess they figured out that appealing a badly written moratorium… just like Congressional poorly written legislation… is a waste of time. So they’re starting over. That’ll keep the opposition lawyers busy filing a new brief in response to the new rules. If they dance around in the courts long enough, they’ll still get their moratorium just by tying it up on the docket.

It’s a short lived celebration at best. If there’s one thing surrounding him that Obama’s got plenty of, it’s lawyers.

@Greg:

Maybe BP could dump another $50 million on television spots to make certain everyone is fully aware of that

Toooo bad they have to do that. BP stations, run by independent mom and pops, are getting vandalized and boycotted. Unfortunately, small business owners and those employed to man the registers, etc. are the ones getting hurt. I see nothing wrong with running an ad with a resident of the Gulf reassuring the community that he is there to do what he can to help his community.

BTW, I filled up at a BP today. 👿

Salazar should be fired for falsifying documents and incompetence in the discharge of his oversight duties. Of course incompetence isn’t uncommon in the Obama administration, nor is lying.

Donald, those are resume enhancers in the obama admin. Add tax evasion and you have the obama pick hat trick.

Hopefully Judge Martin Feldman doesn’t still own stock in Transocean Ltd. or other offshore energy companies, as was the case in 2008. That might not look so good. My assumption at this point is that if he still did, he would surely have excused himself from the case.

Here is my post on Obama’s bloody nose over this. I just heard Salazar is going to issue a new order. I’m working on a post on whether or not the third branch can stand the weight and force of the other too. The weakest branch of government is the judiciary.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/06/22/oh-its-on-part-two-judge-blocks-ban-obama-is-called-a-wimp-and-the-hitler-bunker-video-guys-must-be-in-high-gear/

And a buddy sent me this- a comedy routine about spilled coffee.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/06/22/a-comedy-youtube-satire-of-the-oil-spill-bp-spills-coffee-too-funny/

@GSH, I pointed out on another thread that it was really revealing that the MSNBC reporter would throw that out there, and not verify financial facts two years later. But the key language in that is:

“…shows holdings in at least eight petroleum companies or companies that invest in them, including Transocean Ltd….”

My guess is if Feldman knew he had direct holdings in any oil companies, he would have recused himself. That, however, doesn’t mean that he may be vested in funds that also have holdings in the oil companies indirectly. Do you know every company involved in a particular mutual fund? Do they stay the same constantly? Get my point?

This was pure political mud being tossed at the Judge, sans evidence, because MSNBC didn’t like the opinion. Simple as that.

@archer52, you think the judiciary is “the weakest branch”?? What a bizarre notion. These guys can take out legislation with a written opinion. They are the nation’s recourse of last resort and the final word. That makes them extraordinarily powerful, and far from being the weakest of the separation of powers.

Now if you are speaking of a few of the robed ones and their judicial activism in particular, they can only be considered “weak” in their interpretation of law as viewed thru the prism of a “living Constitution”. However their “weakness” has been making inroads over the decades, allowing for a more powerful Congress.

On the whole, the SCOTUS generally gets most things right. However the increasing power of Congress or the Executive Branch is not because the judicial branch is weak, but because they were strong enough to deliver them that power under color of law.

Mata don’t lose heart. That judge is a Reaganite appointee! The litigants can call for a sanction and further contempt charges. There is more than hope.

I know from experience that if you lose your service companies, especially Schlumberger, you retard your exploration programs for years. You lose these experienced people, you lose big time. This judge has courage, is based in constitutional law, and has common sense.

Fearless: who is this Ken the Salad Czar?

O.k. everybody, now google Chicago climate exchange, look at the main players of this exchange and who gave the front money for the exchange, hint: obama, next look for the connection with the 2-billion loan to Brazil from this fraud, go to the Padesto brothers, as in the John Pedesto, and his lobbing brother representing both the Brazilian Oil drilling operations and Center for American Progress, note that these brothers are confidents of both Soros and obamma, now ask yourself a question, why would this pretender-n-theif be enacting the very suggestions coming out of the Center for American Progress and at the same time enacting the ban on oil drilling on our shores and at the same time sending 2-billion to Brazil with our money? Anyone want to bet the bidders for these rigs are coming from the Brazilian gubmint and the Soros fund managers? any takers. And we wonder why this fraud, obama and cabal along with Salazaar are inserting into reports ‘SUGGESTIONS” FOR A BAN?

Skookum: “Ken the Salad Czar” 😆

So, we have the Obama administration caught red-handed, lying and defrauding the oil industry in the gulf, and not one peep from the MSM. How does an Obama follower paint this one? Greg?

Is it just complete incompetence, or is it willful criminal enterprise on their part?

Are the Obama neophytes so blinded, and so enthralled with him that they do not care to tell the emperor he has no clothes on?

Greg said…..””Perhaps they thought it might be a good idea to determine what caused the worst environmental catastrophe in the nation’s history before proceeding with 33 similar projects.””

>>> We DO know what happened!! The valve failed… NOW, do you want to know WHY the rig blew??? STARTING this whole mess?? No pressure to the mechanism that would have made the valve close, as it was SUPPOSED to!! The “engineers” on the rig, (if you bothered to read the transcripts of the guys on the rig, as they were withdrawing the pipe) saw there was a NO PRESSURE reading in the lines that powered the safety valve assembly, and reported this to the BP superiors on the rig, who THEN ORDERED the men to, “go on anyway”… the rest you see on TV now….So it was arrogance and Human Error…. NOT an “unsafe rig” in that sense. IF the BP officials had ordered them to STOP! then lets check it out, as they SHOULD have….. we wouldn’t most likely even be discussing a “non-happening”…..

So the Judge here is RIGHT.. it was stupid Human error. the fix?? Anytime anyone sees “something wrong”, they should be allowed to sound the alarm, STOP all activity, until the “problem, real or perceived” is taken care of. Simple really, just order “common sense”…..

Greg also said””What the heck. Just because the engine of one new passenger jet blows a wing off in flight is no reason to ground 33 others until you find out why it happened.””

>>>No need to be a wise guy…. already told you they KNOW the problem… it’s what they will DO about it that matters…..

@Hankster

“So the Judge here is RIGHT.. it was stupid Human error. the fix?? Anytime anyone sees “something wrong”, they should be allowed to sound the alarm, STOP all activity, until the “problem, real or perceived” is taken care of. Simple really, just order “common sense”…..”

Apparently, Gregs thinks we need a moratorium on anything that kills people and causes environmental disasters. Welcome to the world of no progress.

John ” the Obama admin. lying and defrauding the oil industry in the Gulf”.Tears are flowing for the poor maligned,misunderstood maggots er managers of B.P.Why is Obama so mean to these poor folks?

rich wheeler, why must you so easily cave to BS talking points about this? It has nothing to do with sympathy for BP or oil companies. What it has to do is with the fiscal health of the states and employees in that industry. What it has to do is with national security and our energy sources. Lose these rigs to other locations, as they are too expensive to sit idle waiting for the one who votes present to make a decision, and we’ve shot ourselves in the proverbial foot.

And for the Zero personally, it has to do advancing an agenda. From his oh so special message to his flock at Organizing for America…

Notice now our human technology “has limits”…. but followed by a “we will stop the leak”. So what is it Zero? We have limits? Or we don’t? But the zinger for the agenda?

da Zero: That’s why in the coming days, I will work with both parties to find the necessary votes to move comprehensive energy and *climate* legislation forward. But we also know that real change is only possible when ordinary Americans are willing to organize from the bottom up. The pundits may say that this is too difficult, that the special interests are too powerful, or that the political will just isn’t there. But you’ve never settled for what people in Washington believe is possible.

If we refuse to heed the warnings of this disaster, we will have missed our best chance to help build the clean energy future America needs. But if we seize this moment, we can rebuild our economy on a new foundation and make it more competitive in the 21st century…. creating entire new industries and millions of of new clean energy jobs across the country.

Yeah… Obama ought to be reading up on that 2009 report of the fiscal impact of Spain’s grand green energy experiment…. Millions of jobs, his ass. Snake oil is still snake oil, even from a Harvard grad. Now all we’re missing is the fly….

@ rich wheeler

Just so that you don’t misunderstand, I was referring to the oil industry as a whole. As for your comment, why no mention of the crime committed by the Obama administration? Are you outraged by it? Or do you justify it by talking about the “good” it does?

“So the Judge here is RIGHT.. it was stupid Human error. the fix?? Anytime anyone sees “something wrong”, they should be allowed to sound the alarm, STOP all activity, until the “problem, real or perceived” is taken care of. Simple really, just order “common sense”…..”

In my view, the moratorium was the Obama administration doing exactly that. The judge’s decision to overrule the moratorium might be compared with BP’s decision to “go on anyway”.

The judge isn’t an engineer. He didn’t have the results of a forensic analysis of the Deepwater Horizon blowout preventer to look at, because engineers haven’t conducted that study yet. It can’t be done until the relief wells have been completed and the blowout preventer has been hauled back up to the surface for inspection. The moratorium would delay a few new projects until that has been done and would affect those where the issue is particularly critical.

During the past decade MMS has essentially ignored four potentially fatal design flaws affecting blowout preventers. Those flaws were revealed by studies that MMS itself commissioned. One flaw is so bad at deep water pressures that only 3 out of the 14 blowout preventers tested would even work. These are the same blowout preventer designs that are being used on new deepwater wells.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/Studies-suggest-MMS-knew-blowout-preventers-had-critical-flaws

I don’t see how putting a temporary hold on similar wells until you know what went wrong with the one that’s fouling the Gulf is anything less than rational behavior. Going on anyway seems irresponsible. If there were a second deepwater blowout, going on anyway would seem like insanity.

Greg: In my view, the moratorium was the Obama administration doing exactly that. The judge’s decision to overrule the moratorium might be compared with BP’s decision to “go on anyway”.

The judge isn’t an engineer.

And you aren’t a lawyer. The judge isn’t supposed to be deciding on technology, engineering designs or your feel good hormones. He rules on point of law, Greg. So in your view… as always with you based on emotions and not on our rule of law… you are obviously wrong…. yet again. Apparently Obama’s legal eagles figured out their moratorium was so poorly constructed – halting drilling or permits on any Gulf well more than 500′ in depth (you’re kiddin’ me….)…. it wasn’t worth appealing in it’s current form. So they are trying with version two.

Neither is CSMonitor an expert on oil wells, drilling rigs, or privvy to the technical information in the investigation. It could be there was no BOP that would withstand a well’s kick… despite the depth… just as not every home can be constructed to withstand hurricanes, tornados or earthquakes. Premature to be considered facts.

And you’re fantasizing if you think that “delaying a few new projects until that has been done” doesn’t have repercussions. Apparently you are clueless to the amount of drillships available, and their demand. You think it can sit there, idle, waiting for “the one” to make up his mind? They move elsewhere. When they can be contracted again is a whole other story. Brazil, when they found their huge reservoir (that’s deeper than the Horizon well, BTW…) a year or so ago, ordered a fleet of new drill ships to be built to accommodate. But they won’t be ready for delivery until 2017 at the earliest for just a few of them.

You really need to “get out more” in reading, Greg….

The moratorium was based on report exaggerations by Salazar.

The moratorium was based on a Report issued by Salazar on May 27 after a 30-day review that recommended immediate and long term reforms to improve drilling safety as well as a six-month moratorium on permits for new wells and an immediate halt to drilling operations on the existing wells in the Gulf. The court was struck by the fact that while the summary of the Report claimed that these recommendations had “been peer-reviewed by seven experts,” those experts had publicly stated that they did not recommend or agree with the six-month blanket moratorium. In fact, that recommendation was added after their final review of the report. At a minimum, this was highly misleading and “[a] factor that might cause some apprehension about the probity of the process that led to the Report” according to the court.

The court also noted that the Report made “no effort to explicitly justify the moratorium: it does not discuss any irreparable harm that would warrant a suspension of operations, it does not explain how long it would take to implement the recommended safety measures.” A subsequent order that Salazar sent to the director of the Minerals Management Service also failed entirely “to explain the reasons for the suspension of operations or the depth of operations to be affected.”

After reviewing all of the evidence submitted by the government, the court was “unable to divine or fathom a relationship between the finding and the immense scope of the moratorium.” The Report relied on by the government lacked any analysis of the asserted fear or threat of injury or safety hazards posed by the 33 permitted rigs; it was incident-specific and driven only by the Deepwater Horizon accident and no others. In other words, it completely failed to take into account the safety records of the other rigs in the Gulf. It assumed that because one rig failed and no one yet fully knows why, “all companies and rigs drilling new wells over 500 feet also universally present an imminent danger.” The court compared this to the government claiming that “all airplanes [are] a danger because one was” or all oil tankers because of the Exxon Valdez or all trains or all mines because of one accident. That kind of analysis is “heavy-handed, and rather overbearing.”

Salazar, an Obama “yes man” puppet, is bullish on wind power, and no fan of oil. Thus why just a few weeks ago he established a consortium of 10 Atlantic state governors for promoting wind farms. He did this not long after inserting himself into the Cape Wind project, opposed by both Mitt Romney and Chappaquiddick Ted, and pushing thru approval. Convenient timing… was just days after the Horizon explosion.

Naw…. no agenda there. Both Obama (as in his video to the O’faithful above) and Salazar are simply “… seizing the moment”… and at the cost of jobs, our national security, and the Gulf states fiscal health.

@Greg

The point is that there are inherent risks associated with progress and production of just about everything made, mined, harvested, etc. This particular case was made more dangerous by incompetence in the government and the operation management of this particular well. By shutting down all drilling, regardless of company, or inspection record, the admin is making this a political statement, and not a decision based on common sense. Add to that the outright criminality of the fraudulent testimony presented by the government in the case, and the judge ruled rightly.

You don’t see why it is wrong because you let your ideology get in the way of ruling based on law and common sense.

mh $20,000,000,000 won’t bring back the lives lost but it will ease the pain of lost jobs and despoiled environment.If in fact the damage is worse they’ve got the money to pony up the rest.The other oil companies in the Gulf can afford to take a pause to thoroughly review their rigs.It just makes sense.
To dismiss green energy as the way of the future is to put one’s head in Arab sand.

rich wheeler… where have you been? BP and their insurance companies have said from day one they will pay legit claims … same language the Zero’s pay czar uses. What the heck is your point? And with a moratorium, combined with the lawsuits now coming in the doors by shareholders disgruntled at losing value (NY’s pensioners… news today…), you’ve got nothing to make bold predictions as to the future fiscal health of BP under these conditions. It behooves all concerned… the Gulf states who depend upon oil for state revenues, the employees of the industry, and the claimants, to keep BP in business and health.

And again you leap to extremes. I don’t “dismiss” green energy. I dismiss the energy plan as an all or nothing, as put forth by you lib/progs. There is no need to remake the energy grids when it’s more feasible to retro fit homes or communities to lessen the load on the grid. The “grand” plan is a design for fiscal bankruptcy… i.e. Spain. I will say it again, SPAIN. Read before you speak, please. I’ll give you some help… my Jan post on Spain’s grand alternative energy experiment. You’ll find this 2009 report fits in nicely with Spain’s spiral down the fiscal tubes today.

And you and your buds want us to follow? Over my dead body, holding an incandescent lightbulb, bubba.

Realty sucks, dude. When the sun doesn’t shine, the wind doesn’t blow, the rain doesn’t power hydro, and you’re nowhere near geothermal, you’ve got coal, gas and oil as your foundation. And oh, BTW, more private sector jobs are lost with green energy than created (see Spain again…), and the costs of energy goes up to the consumer. Just what we need…

rich wheeler: The other oil companies in the Gulf can afford to take a pause to thoroughly review their rigs

Already done. As a matter of fact, the USCG and MMS do regular inspections on all rigs, and did extras immediately following the Horizon well.

What about the fact that Obama’s trying to stop wells in anything over 500 ft depths do you not get? That shallow of water, this puppy would have been repaired, capped, and pumping about affordable energy for the US. We have no problems in that depth. It’s a knee jerk reaction to everything oil for political purposes. And you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker.

#29 “That shallow of water, this puppy would have been repaired, capped, and pumping about affordable energy for the US.”

Probably so.

I haven’t been able to find out at what depth controlling an underwater blowout becomes a prolonged technical nightmare. Have you got links to any information on that topic?

Greg, the maximum control comes from humans being able to be more hands on instead of using ROVs. This has been delicate work, having to be achieved using a singular dimension media (cameras), and in that aspect, what they have accomplished thus far at this depth still boggles the mind.

So it would depend upon the technology of a manned submersible, and the how it can be equipped for operating at these depths for these tasks. They’ve had as record for as deep as 35,000, and many work quite well in the 5000 ft depth as well. Our military submarines are about 2500 ft, but the smaller manned submersibles achieve much greater depths. Any, however, would have to be rigged with the necessary arms and load capacity it would take for repairs of an ultra deepwater well. The submersible would have to be designed in mind for that weight, size and flexibility.

The Seamagine has their Ocean Pearl two man sub operating at 300 ft depths, but the their three man Triumps is rated at 1500 ft. Then there’s the Undersea Hunter that’s anywhere from 500 ft to 1500 ft.

Strikes me as it’s a great time for deepwater manned submersibles to retrofit subs for their subsea vehicles for this of work… provided Obama doesn’t destroy the industry in the interim.

The average well is the Gulf is about 35 meters, or 114.8 ft. In fact, the Ixtoc was only 160 ft, I believe. But then, that was four decades ago, and the industry has made leaps and bounds in advances since then. Of course, the enviros whine about the shallow depths as well because these lines can then be ruptured by shipping traffic. Then there’s that nasty detail that shallow wells are closer to the shore line, which make the more expensive shore clean up more intense since it doesn’t have miles of ocean (and rising from the depths) to disperse before hitting the shore lines. It’s always something with those who simply detest inexpensive energy from oil.

@rich wheeler

The only thing green about so-called “green” energy is the amount of dollars the government takes from people to give to companies in an industry that is impractical from a cost standpoint at this point in time. If it were a viable solution, and cost-effective, then we would be well on our way towards commissioning new “green” power plants, designing truly “green” transportation, and really lessening our dependence on oil, coal, and natural gas. We aren’t there yet and when the government decides, along partisan lines, to drag everyone kicking and screaming into the nightmare economic scenario of a “green” economy there will be no recovering. We only need to look no further than Spain to see a “green” economy and the destruction it does.

As for the other oil companies, I expect most, if not all of them, started a comprehensive review of their own oil rigs, including the safety mechanisms and procedures applicable to each, very soon after the initial explosion on the Deepwater Well. They don’t need the government to stop all work at their rigs to ensure they are operating as safely as possible. The moratorium was/is a political stunt by the leftists in the WH. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for the lost jobs and despoiled environment, BP owns some of the blame, but so does Obama and his lack of decisions that are truly in the best interest of the region.

JG “BP OWNS SOME OF THE BLAME” c’mon you can do better than that.No?
MH So all’s well.Dr[ll baby drill. Who’s the gullible one here?

rich wheeler: MH So all’s well.Dr[ll baby drill. Who’s the gullible one here?

That would be you, rich wheeler. Hands down. God help your kids, if you have any. One will fall out of a tree, you’ll tie the other one to the bed post until they reach social security age, and then raze the neighborhood of flora and woods. You are a danged extremist, guy… LOL

Rich, look into what Spain suffered when they tried to pursue a green economy.

I hadn’t given any thought to 2D cameras. That’s a surprising limitation. I figured remote robotic manipulation was almost always done with dual camera 3D imaging systems these days, with operators using either glasses or helmets. Depth perception would seem to be critical.

Actually, there’s only been one report on the logistics I’ve seen on this, Greg. Most have been running willy nilly off into LaLa land, like this is working on your refrigerator in the back yard. Between the pressure on that well, and the depths where men cannot actually physically work in submersibles (at least at this point….), it’s almost more challenging than sending a robotic mini four wheeler to Mars.

But the article I had archived a few weeks back was from by Peter Spotts at the CSMonitor, and appeared at the KPLC TV site. I wondered what took so long for anyone to figure out the obvious….

One major challenge is logistics — moving hardware on the surface to the seafloor. That process often involves building a drill pipe first. To do that, rig workers must assemble the pipe one 90-foot section at a time in a stop-start sequence — lowering the assembly another 90 feet into the water with each new segment. To get to the depth of the wellhead they must assemble and carefully lower at least 55 segments.

“It’s not that the task is more complicated; it just takes a long time to do it,” he says.

At depth, the remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) take over.

They weigh anywhere from 1,000 pounds to five tons and have two arms. One is capable of coarse movements and is used to grasp claw-holds on undersea hardware. The other is capable of the full range of movement of a human arm and can grip with either a light touch or something more viselike as the situation demands.

A heavily armored cable lowers the craft close to its working area. The craft then moves out of a protective cage but remains linked to the surface through another 300 to 500 feet of softer umbilical cable.

An ROV may have from two to four video cameras to help the pilot guide the vehicle. But it’s up to the pilot to mentally convert the two-dimensional images on the screen into three dimensions to estimate how far an object is from the ROV, says Knute Brekke, who spent 11 years as a diver and ROV pilot working on oil rigs in the Gulf before moving to the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute in California.

If an operator moves a vehicle too close to the bottom, the ROV’s thrusters stir up sediment, which cuts visibility. If an operator loses track of where the ROV’s umbilical is, the cable can become tangled. Often, two or three ROVs are operating at once, demanding intense focus.

Movements typically are slow and deliberate, just as those of astronauts during spacewalks. The ROVs are neutrally buoyant; left to their own devices, they hover. If an operator accelerates the ROV too quickly, the craft’s mass will ensure it keeps moving long after the thrusters stop. The operators also have to compensate for sea currents and — at the Deepwater Horizon site — navigate around wreckage.

While not a perfect analogy, operating an ROV is a bit like playing a computer game with a partner, says Mr. Brekke. The pilot runs the ROV, while the copilot operates the arms.

Your visual makes me laugh… everyone sitting around in 3D helmets. LOL Nope, not quite. And these ROVs are also the reason that the cap is off now… one of these suckers hit it. That dimension problem again.

It’s just not like “being there”.

I find it a little disturbing that 3D video game interfaces would be running ahead of real-world remote control technology. There’s the same 2D issue with the control screen of Predator drones. It does seem very odd.

mh Don’t think I ve ever been called an extremist before.Like Barry Goldwater I consider it a complement.My kids are great,thank you,full credit to my wife of 23 years.
For a Navy wife I’m suprised you don’t have a greater desire to protect our oceans and our environment. I’ll admit living by the ocean in San Clemente colors my judgement.

rich wheeler, it’s sort of a tongue-in-cheek joke to call you an extremist. You aren’t “extreme” progressive. But you are extreme when you consider an argument from a lib/prog viewpoint. i.e. if I’m bothered about the slush fund, it must be I am sympathizing with BP. Or that I find the moratorium to be nothing more than an Obama tool to advance climate cap and tax, I must be dismissive or anti-green energy. That’s the extreme interpretation you leap to. Don’t feel bad… you’re not alone since Greg does the same thing.

You might want to consider that INRE the slush fund, I’m worried about the Constitutional right of due process. And that is not only confined to BP, but to the victims. When Feinberg decided on a price with the 911 VCF, there was no legal recourse by the recipients in a court of law. In fact, the courts didn’t have jurisdiction over Feinberg’s allocations because of the way that Congress rushed to set this up in the days following 911. And something everyone wants to forget is that Congress had almost unanimous votes in this… and it wasn’t primarily for victim compensation but for 1: protecting the airlines from bankruptcy, and 2: protecting the courts from the rush of mass lawsuits, swamping the dockets. A victim who lost a finger got $500…. and no where in the court system to turn if he was unhappy with that. That was part of the deal for “fast money”. Feinberg’s rules. Authority which both aisles of Congress bestowed on him, and out of the jurisdiction of the AG office. Even Feinberg says that should have been a one of a kind event… yet here he is again, only this time with BP’s cash.

INRE the moratorium, you might also want to consider that again I get concerned with a WH exercising authority they have no right to do based on a political agenda. The repercussions of pursuing his agenda, “seizing the moment”, is borne by the states and the workers in those states. It doesn’t mean that I don’t see value with some supplemental green energy, as long as it’s not an all or nothing pursuit paid for by the taxpayers, and allows the citizens to choose between inexpensive oil/gas/coal/shale sources, or expensive green technology.

People on both sides of the aisle are really tired of supporting Obama’s “dreams” of “remaking” America. We simply can’t afford this spoiled, petulant child as leader of this nation. He is breaking the bank. And he’s not much for creating goodwill either.

Mata:

I honestly wish I had your patience. When people choose to be ignorant in spite of the facts in front of them, I just move on and leave them to their stupidity.

LOL! Well, jlfintx, I don’t do it thinking I can sway the likes of Greg or rich wheeler. I do it because, if there are some lurkers out there who hear the same ol’ partisan BS crap in their daily lives, perhaps something any of us responded gives them a way to engage someone else who actually may be able to see the incandescent light!