Grand Theft Auto IV Beta Hunt

Beta pine tree lods.

Found in pc/data/cdimages/gtxd.img/tree_lods.wtd

1 hour ago, universetwisters said:

Found this looking up one of the map artists from GTA 4 on google. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initial sketch of the proposed idea of GTA 4 being set in an entire state.

 

Wow, nice find, could be that they were told San Andreas boundaries was all they could work with? In that case going city alone was the best choice as LC alone is over half the map size of SA.

1 hour ago, universetwisters said:

Found this looking up one of the map artists from GTA 4 on google. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initial sketch of the proposed idea of GTA 4 being set in an entire state.

 

This is some extremelly interesting stuff! I love how most of the areas in gray are areas we did end up getting in the final game, while many others have Xs on them. It's almost like the concept team looked at his map, crossing out areas they tought weren't possible while painting what they could theoretically make in time for release.

Interestingly, if my theory is correct, the Rockaways are also painted on he concept map means they at least considered making it until pretty late in the concept stages. I also love the faint outline of San Andeas' map for scale, this would've been a HUGE map if it was done.

Great find!

If you hover over the box it states what they are, and yes, it's:

"A couple of the initial sketches I did while designing Liberty City for the game GTA4"

5 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Found this looking up one of the map artists from GTA 4 on google. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initial sketch of the proposed idea of GTA 4 being set in an entire state.

 

Quote

On GTA IV I was a lead artist. I initially blocked out the landmass for the whole environment, and then took charge of the Brooklyn, Bronx and Queens section, in charge of twelve artists. I wrote the look and process documents that were used for the whole map. As well as being in charge of the sections, I was hands on and modelled and textured the starting areas myself - Red Hook, Coney Island, Brighton Beach, DUMBO, Brooklyn Bridge, Williamsburg and Park Slope.

The Images here are from these locations, areas I actually modelled and textured entirely myself. Environments only, cars and characters created by other artists.

GTA IV by Nik Taylor at Coroflot.com

GTA IV by Nik Taylor at Coroflot.com

1 hour ago, WELLGAMER789 said:

 

GTA IV by Nik Taylor at Coroflot.com

Hey it's one of the artwork backgrounds...

6 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Found this looking up one of the map artists from GTA 4 on google. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initial sketch of the proposed idea of GTA 4 being set in an entire state.

 

and there's gta sa's map on the background

Woah, really? You possess a very observant eye. Nice catch!

Surprised no one has also posted these from that first page yet

39 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

Surprised no one has also posted these from that first page yet

I'm p sure they were posted a while ago tho

42 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

Surprised no one has also posted these from that first page yet

I haven't had the chance to compare those side-by-side with gameplay, but the most I was able to find was the beta HUD colors and the 69th Street Diner having its curtains open, making it possible to see inside, both were already known.

6 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

I'm p sure they were posted a while ago tho

 

 

Nah no way, only seen one screenshot I think with that beta radar/HUD (from artist Gill Bertram's portfolio a few years ago).

Screenshot from today interestingly missing $ symbol...

Looks like warehouse used in Russian Revolution originally had much bigger opening

11 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Found this looking up one of the map artists from GTA 4 on google. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initial sketch of the proposed idea of GTA 4 being set in an entire state.

 

Not that it's not a massive surprise, but one of the more interesting things to gleam from this map is the fact R* never considered adding Staten Island even in the conceptual stages. I always figured if we did get one of these rough maps we'd see it represented in some capacity, considering how ambitious they were when considering Upstate Liberty.

5 minutes ago, HOW'S ANNIE? said:

Not that it's not a massive surprise, but one of the more interesting things to gleam from this map is the fact R* never considered adding Staten Island even in the conceptual stages. I always figured if we did get one of these rough maps we'd see it represented in some capacity, considering how ambitious they were when considering Upstate Liberty.

I mean Staten Island pales in comparison to upstate, or as per this concept, upstate + jersey + connecticut. Hell, what can you do with Long Island that you can't with Staten Island?

Working on Carraways

Do we even have a single idea of what beta stealth was going to be?

My imagination of Carraways.

12 hours ago, Spy Fox said:

Looks like warehouse used in Russian Revolution originally had much bigger opening

i could be wrong, but to me it looks like the interior of the warehouse just wasn´t there yet at all.

and that we are looking through the building in that screenshot

1 minute ago, rollschuh2282 said:

i could be wrong, but to me it looks like the interior of the warehouse just wasn´t there yet at all.

and that we are looking through the building in that screenshot

Yeah I noticed that after I posted lol

Either what you said or could have been a rendering issue.

2 hours ago, Spy Fox said:

 

Yeah I noticed that after I posted lol

Either what you said or could have been a rendering issue.

I think it is a rendering issue because the warehouse's interior is shown in the first trailer, and these screenshots dont look to be that early in development (I mean, it's hard to pinpoint a date when u can actually count the pixels, but still, it looks final-ish).

Beta first mission.

Really puts it into perspective how small Liberty City really is, considering how big it feels compared to other GTA cities.

1 hour ago, Len Lfc said:

 

 

Really puts it into perspective how small Liberty City really is, considering how big it feels compared to other GTA cities.

Maybe that's the real reason planes werent ingame

I noticed the roof on both sides of the building in front, not the top of the building in beta is not there, so this looks to be adjusted/resized to fit on both sides in the final.

I refer to the post by Spy Fox about the building (just don't want to quote due to the image takes much spaces).

On 4/4/2021 at 10:23 PM, StuntGames said:

Does this weapon have a difference?

 

don't see difference? but I See Difference Niko Holding a PumpShotgun Animation look Difference to me?

Niko's hands were less detailed. Like in SA mobile.

Niko has different nose here.

Watching the third trailer, I noticed that Brucie's garage was missing a door.


In the game this door is placed somehow crookedly or something, because the upper part does not match the rest.

About lods. For some reason, the developers decided to block the alley that is located behind the barber shop. On the radar this alley is drawn, which makes it seem to me, that it was block at a late stage of development.

Looking through the gxt file, I noticed this: